Now we can go to the houses of people in California and slap the people do donated to support Proposition 8. I suggest we slap them once for ever dollar they donated.
Lynette Atkisson, Homemaker, gets 5000 slaps for the $5 000 she donated!
Okay maybe i shouldn't be encouraging this violence. But i like the idea that these people can not be anonymous and people can change their behavior to show there dissatisfaction. Perhaps we should no longer support
Visionary Electronics, Inc. and Blackford Construction. If you are friends with Adam Haleck, Real Estate Developer, tell him how you feel, and maybe don't have him represent you when you are selling your California house. This is how politics inform your daily life. It is not okay if someone doesn't believe homosexual people are equal, and i am not going to let people think that it won't affect how i associate with people with busnesses and people based on what they suport.
Visionary Electronics, Inc. and Blackford Construction. If you are friends with Adam Haleck, Real Estate Developer, tell him how you feel, and maybe don't have him represent you when you are selling your California house. This is how politics inform your daily life. It is not okay if someone doesn't believe homosexual people are equal, and i am not going to let people think that it won't affect how i associate with people with busnesses and people based on what they suport.
Why would you need the addresses of these people? I suppose it might be interesting to see who donated on your block or something, but isn't it just a tool for harboring hate against one's neighbour? People are allowed to have their political views and they should be respected (however much we may disagree with them!)
ReplyDeleteCompanies contributing is asking for trouble however. I wouldn't support any of them any more.
I agree. It makes me uncomfortable.
ReplyDeleteBut I am a bit bewildered by a homemaker who dislikes the gays enough to donate $5000! I guess it is California though.
"...we slap them once for ever dollar they donated."
ReplyDeleteGeez, lady, what are you...5 years old? Grow up.
Are you now or have ever been a supporter of Proposition 8?
ReplyDeletePretty ugly thinking, Rachel.
I agree i should not have been so flippant about violence. I was joking, and i realize i shouldn't have joked about violence. But I have a lot of trouble having sympathy for homophobic people. And in my view any support of proposition 8 is homophobic. I (though heterosexual) believe I have some understanding of what it is to be disenfranchised by something as a sexual preference. Homosexuals often don't feel safe, in the same way perhaps some of the individuals on this list feel now that it is SO public. The businesses owned by homosexuals are often discriminated against, people labeled homosexual can experience trouble finding jobs, This is financial discrimination! We all know through the news that physical violence towards homosexuals is a reality too. I do not condone any sort of violence. A depressing example, where a young man was beaten to death because he was gay in Vancouver British Columbia.
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Rachel:
ReplyDelete"This is financial discrimination!"
And threatening a boycott against a company who holds a particular political viewpoint is not financial discrimination. Right.
"But I have a lot of trouble having sympathy for homophobic people"
I guess tolerance is only a one-way street.
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ReplyDeleteBoycotting a business because of what it does with its money is different from boycotting a business because of what the owner or an employee does with his boners (or her... vibrators).
Rachel, thanks for acknowledging that violence, in any form, in unacceptable.
ReplyDeleteThe problem at hand is that the names and addresses of these Proposition 8 supporters were made public. As such, they have been targeted by radical individuals. Just because one group has been targeted in the past (which I don't ever condone, by the way) doesn't mean that the other group is fair game.
As for your assumption that Proposition 8 is inherently homophobic, I wholeheartedly disagree. I, for one, support initives like Proposition 8, yet I have no qualms with people who say they are gay... they, like me, are both sinners in the Eyes of God, who BOTH need forgiveness. And if He views us the same, who am I to discriminate?
Just for a couple of real world examples, one of my political friends let me know not long ago that he was gay. Does it affect how I interact with him, or what I think of him? Not in the slightest. Why do some people would automatically think that I'd shun him? Just doesn't make any sense to me.
Then there was my old job... during the interview, it was obvious that my new boss was a very openly gay guy, lisp and all... so what? I took the job, of course... BECAUSE I'M NOT HOMOPHOBIC for crying out loud! I simply disagree with the lifestyle... just as I disagree with living common-law, or disagree with pre-marital sex, or adultery, or lying, or speeding for that matter... sin is sin is sin, and we are ALL equal in the Eyes of God. (and as such, that's why the Lord Jesus Christ came to save ALL of us, not just the supposedly better of us)
Christian Conservative,
ReplyDelete"I simply disagree with the lifestyle... just as I disagree with living common-law, or disagree with pre-marital sex, or adultery, or lying, or speeding for that matter... sin is sin is sin, and we are ALL equal in the Eyes of God."
You have every right to disagree, but what is it to you if a gay couple wants to marry? To deny homosexuals equal rights, as well as equal opportunity is wrong, and yes, homophobic.
Some people don't share your beliefs, and don't subscribe to your idea of marriage. So, I say again, what is it to you if a gay couple wants to marry?
You live in a fantasy world of fear and misunderstanding. Question: If God is all knowing, and all powerful, do you think he actually cares if a gay couple gets married? They are interested in love, and the expression of their love.
As a christian, you seem to have forgotten the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Are you saying the Golden Rule doesn't apply to the gay community? If you do, you are homophobic. Moreover, you let superstition and fear dictate your life.
Stop bringing God into your arguments, because you are using him to propagate your homophobia. Jesus Christ preached love and understanding, and you appear to disagree with those teachings.
You believe homosexuality is a sin because ignorant men wrote it into the bible 2000 years ago. Man is fallible, and so is his word. If you're going to let a Bronze Age value system dictate your beliefs, then you really need to consider what you actually believe.
You stated, "Rachel, thanks for acknowledging that violence, in any form, in unacceptable."
Well, the bible encourages ownership of slaves and stoning your children if they misbehave. Do you subscribe to those beliefs? I'm sure you don't, because they are archaic. Well, so is the Bibles view of homosexuality. You can't pick and choose.
Loving a fellow human being is not a sin. Expressing that love is not a sin either. Get your head out of the Bronze Age.
Alex:
ReplyDelete"Some people don't share your beliefs, and don't subscribe to your idea of marriage. So, I say again, what is it to you if a gay couple wants to marry?"
We all have the responsibility and duty to shape our country in a way that we believe is best for its people. If Christian Conservative believes that the homosexual lifestyle is harmful to society, then of course he can hold the opinion that gay marriage should not be legal.
"As a christian, you seem to have forgotten the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." As a Christian, I would be very happy if you denied me the right to a gay marriage because you believe it is harmful to myself and harmful to society.
"Stop bringing God into your arguments, because you are using him to propagate your homophobia." If you haven't noticed, people of faith bring God into a lot of things just as people of politics bring their own bias into a lot of things.
"Jesus Christ preached love and understanding, and you appear to disagree with those teachings." Jesus Christ also trashed a bunch of money-changers, often called people wicked and perverse, told his disciples to condemn entire towns, and told a woman to leave a life of sin. He's not a warm and fuzzy teddy bear.
"Well, the bible encourages ownership of slaves and stoning your children if they misbehave."
The applications of punishment and the passages about slavery in the Old Testament applied only to the nation of Israel. Nowhere in the New Testament are stonings advised. While slavery was a fact of life in the Roman World, Paul only provides advice on how to live in that context and never encourages the practice.
"Loving a fellow human being is not a sin. Expressing that love is not a sin either." God give us boundaries and norms by which to express that love. You don't allow a father and son to express love to each other in that fashion, do you?
Where is the map of the businesses who gave money against Prop 8? I want to know who to boycott!
ReplyDeleteThis sort of map are the first signs of a coming cultural civil war. I wish it was not so, but why would people attempt to make supporters of Prop 8 frightened.
ReplyDeleteWe're only a decade away from political murders of Christians.